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After 30 years of disaster, the Athenians went to Siragusa 40,000 strong huge fleet to subdue an errant city state.

None came home.

Didn't the democrats win all these contests?

"Didn't the democrats win all these contests?"

Spartans won the war, Fred. . .

If Bush keeps sitting on that Norman Podhoretzian World War 4 egg, and it keeps getting warmer and warmer isn't it likely to to hatch?

And let loose the dog(aroni)s of war? No cuddly Shihtzus! With World War II weighing in at a quite spikey 60 million corpses, will the record be broken in the next cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cycles

Will religious devotion enhance the Thucydidean tit-for-tat intensity and corpse productivity of Podhoretzian war?
Will Christian video games be wired to real weapons?
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2006/12/believe_in_a_lo.html

Will they realize that religion can dampen the war cycle too, like Mon Buddhist queen Shin Saw Bu, who broke the cycle of early modern Burmese warfare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Sawbu

(After being passed around as a war party favor herself in her younger years and according to Burmese history, driving a rival queen to jealously invite a rival king to invade and destroy her husband king's realm.)

Rea - I was talking about Corfu, not the mainland. Too lazy to look it up but I think the democratic parties prevailed. And on the mainland, Sparta may have won the fighting war but eventually faded due to an inferior social system.

Ah yes. Athens. The city-state that looted and enslaved allied cities that wouldn't pay tribute, exiled its best general, attempted to invade a far-away hostile country, and executed its best admirals even as Sparta built up a strong navy.

Athens was not a democracy in the all-inclusive sense of the term. More accurately, Athens was a broad oligarchy that used democratic rhetoric to its advantage initially, but eventually lost the war when its actions made the rhetoric look like the hypocrisy it was.

FredW is right that Athens outlasted Sparta, in the same way that moder Western society will outlast, imo, _traditional_ Islamic society. But the US definitely seems to be headed in the Athenian direction.

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