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not to toot my own horn too much, but I detailed the precise nature of the lies in Klein's column at http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/p_lukasiak/2007/jun/07/joe_kleins_big_lie

One example...

In his column, Joe claims he talked to Harman, posted about it to Swampland, "then Harman changed her mind." And the Swamplanders and the rest of the blogosphere had a hissy fit, despite Joe's good faith efforts.

except that Joe posted about harman at 9:37 AM on May 25...and the House vote is timestamped at 6:45 PM May 24th. And the reason people went batshit had almost nothing to do with getting the Harman vote wrong, but with getting everything else wrong...

Still, I think Brad's point is a very good one. Exactly what kind of "insider" knowledge is Klein purveying when either his top secret insider informant doesn't actually know how she's going to vote, or he doesn't bother to follow the vote the way gthe most distant, unenfranchised, uninformed voter might and then explicate the politics for the readership. If Klein's selling anything its telling us rubes something we couldn't ascertain for ourselves. In this case we could have done a better job ourselves reading harman's statements in her local press and the local pressure she was getting that eventually forced her to vote just the opposite of what she told Klein. And this is, in fact, why I prefer unaffiliated blog coverage. Most of the blogs I read would have reported it this way:

Harman, a frequent supporter of Bush's more egregious policies and a defence hawk is floating the argument that she *will have to* vote for the supplemental because she says, aping the GOP line, that the troops will be hurt otherwise. But close watchers of her district and the pressure she is under from other dems and her own constituents make this a nail biter--she could be forced to change her mind. Lets wait and see.

That report, which pretty much any of the blogs I read might have written, would have been worth writing and reading if you really were interested in all the issues surrounding that vote.

but as brad points out Klein's whole shtick is that he's like a reporter so he embeds and hides his commentary by carefully positioning the "direct quote" and the supposed timing of the piece.

Kate G.

Klein is so....klein!
Brad's depiction of ordinary pajamahadeen writing style and informativity is a great way to show that, indeed, ordinary bloggers are so much better than the inslider jerks.

BTW, where does Klein get off griping about nastiness from the left bloggers? Doesn't he look at the trash from LGF, the Freepers, Ann Coulter, etc? All we can give him credit for recently is the rag against the aristocracy, (for which Brad rightly gave him props - can you imagine a dick like Glenn Reynolds being so generous to someone he usually picks on?)

What interested me was that all this happened only a few days after the blogs were all over Klein for citing an anonymous source that supported an administration POV. He had some noble defense of that, of course. But now that we can see what goes on when he gets a quote from official sources, I really don't want to imagine what happens when anonymous voices speak through Klein.

another thing this dust-up reveals is "quote shopping".... Klein made up his mind, then went after a quote that (sort of -- not even Harman claimed the vote against represented "immediate withdrawal", just that it would "endanger the troops") support his argument -- and then criticise those who disagree within based on his own erroneous understanding and the quote he "found."

What is even worse is Klein's hypocrisy -- he lashes out at Clinton and Obama for bowing to political pressure and "changing their minds" based on the faulty premise that the vote against meant "immediate withdrawal" and they'd both taken positions against "immediate withdrawal."

Niehter Clinton nor Obama changed their positions on the bill...they never announced how they would vote prior to the vote.

But there is no criticism of Harman when she ADMITS TO changing her vote after pressure from her constituency. Clinton and Obama get convicted of a crime they didn't commit, while Harman gets a pass despite admitting to the same crime.

...and Klein wonders why he gets "wanker of the day" so often from Atrios?

See, I would've thought the most basic thing wrong with Klein's column was that Obama and Clinton didn't vote for a measure at all. They voted against one -- a supplemental appropriation with no withdrawal provisions. It does make a difference.

We can at least credit Klein with quoting Harman exactly how she wanted to be quoted - both from when she explained why she couldn't vote against the supplemental and how she didn't think any differently (personally) even after she voted against it.

As a constituent of hers, I feel much more informed about where she's coming from. Before learning of what she said, I interpreted her No vote and her No vote on the 'rules of debate' to mean she was through giving deference to Bush and would be willing to force him to change on Iraq, whether he liked it or not. Instead, it means nothing, and she's still an endorser - even after voting against the freaking supplemental - of the Republican talking point that not giving a blank check = denying the troops what they need. A talking point that will forever keep us in Iraq until we take it out of the media discourse on Iraq.

Right now, she's still "in" with the DC insiders like Klein by endorsing the "serious" view on Iraq while making her constituents think she's taking a harder line through her No vote and her press release. (A press release by the way, that describes the troop-defunding smear she said to Klein as "rubbish".)

I think Klein's argument that voting against the supplemental is voting for precipitous departure is that, if no supplemental at all were approved and signed, the departure would be precipitous. That is, he is arguing that voting no on a bill means voting for no bill at all not for further negotiation and legislation. Of course this is nonsense. Klein didn't accuse Bush of vetoing for precipitous departure, but it is slightly different nonsense than you version of kleinthought -- worse nonsense I would say, but different.

> But I flew into Baghdad on a troop transport with 150 kids, heading into the field.

Oops! US is using child soldiers?

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