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I don't suppose Viet Nam had anything to do with Democrats losing office?

I'm reading it too, Brad. Its tough going because its so detailed and so painful. My family was intimately involved in lots of this stuff, from the left anyway, and its weird to see so much stuff that I dimly heard about or perceived as a very young child and a young teen get rehashed from a different more distanced perspective. Its a stunning book but I can only read about ten pages a day and then I have to lie down.

Kate g.

I'm reading it too, Brad. Its tough going because its so detailed and so painful. My family was intimately involved in lots of this stuff, from the left anyway, and its weird to see so much stuff that I dimly heard about or perceived as a very young child and a young teen get rehashed from a different more distanced perspective. Its a stunning book but I can only read about ten pages a day and then I have to lie down.

Kate g.

I'm reading it too, Brad. Its tough going because its so detailed and so painful. My family was intimately involved in lots of this stuff, from the left anyway, and its weird to see so much stuff that I dimly heard about or perceived as a very young child and a young teen get rehashed from a different more distanced perspective. Its a stunning book but I can only read about ten pages a day and then I have to lie down.

Kate g.

Hi Kate G. Following some threads at Washington Monthly started by Neal the Ethical Werewolf, it seems possible that you know Rick Perlstein better than most people. Is that true? Is that what you meant by intimately involved in lots of this stuff, or is there more you could tell us?

good god no, I don't know Rick perlestein at all, I'm just reading nixonland. But you know there were a lot of people "on the left" during the sixties. I'm just related to some of them.

Kate g.

Okay, well there would probably be worse people to know. There is a Rick Perlstein and a Kate G that google claims are pretty close. But I know how many people have *my* name so it's not terribly surprising.

Of course the one thing (automatically) left out in the long list of LBJ's accomplishments (automatically and always by your typical academic liberal) is his $10/hr minimum wage -- at half of today's average income yet (all below 50 percentile income seem forever invisible to such).

Also left out of the the equation of Nixon's election is the Democrats running an extremely pacifist-left winger at a time when some of the rubble from WWII was still being cleared, when our new (scary) adversary was graduating twice as many engineers and scientists as we were, whose militarized economy that had buried Nazi Germany was growing more than twice the rate that our was (7%/3% annually), and whose leadership had but recently promised to bury us.

Chicago is (was) not America. Just before I took my first job in Lilly white Manhattan in 1962 the feeling I sensed was that everybody knew they were doing something wrong by discriminating but (here seemed to be the crux as I sensed it) nobody wanted to be the first to break the ice.

This made it relatively easy (on my 18 year old radar) for Martin Luther King to initiate integration. I remember he just blocked up some vital intersections a few times and peace was made forthwith (my firm hired black page boys for starters). Seemed more a matter or social inertial than anything else in New York City.

When I moved into my brother's half-black, upper income housing project in Yonkers (just north of the Bronx) in 1979, I did not notice it was half-black for a year -- because they did not notice me: that's color blind New York.

The economic problems of African Americans today are not to my mind primarily racial. The are the American problem: Americans, from sea to shining sea, are about as up on labor economics as your typical Rent-A-Center customer -- and equally taken to the cleaners.

There is no thought of the absolute necessity in this fierce, bean counting management day-in-age of not simply being unionized but (THE GREAT LABOR FORCE MULTIPLIER) working under some form of SECTOR-WIDE labor agreements (collective-collective bargaining). Sector-wide just chased 88 WalMart big-boxes out of Germany -- Walmart's business model not working out under equalized pay and benefits. The French Canadian version is probably the one we should first consider here -- if labor ever expects to get the upper hand again.

American supermarket workers and airline employees would kill for sector-wide agreements.

Nicholas Lehmann's excellent book, The Promised Land, details some of the dreadful blunders made by the city of Chicago (and northern liberals generally) in handling the dislocations wrought by the migration of five million destitute, displaced agricultural workers from the Mississippi Delta that took place in the 1960s -- one of the largest internal migrations in history. Basically, the white government averted its eyes from the problem, refusing to open its pocket book, just as happened later with Katrina. Then Robert Kennedy's best and brightest entourage had the brilliant, "realist" "macho" idea of solving it by giving grants to young black gang leaders, as "the natural leaders" of the ghetto community. In their own words, no more of the effeminate "lady bountiful" approach of Eleanor Roosevelt and the New Dealers with their settlement houses and aid to women and children. That was so old-fashioned. The results were predictable. Lehmann judges the famous "Woodlawn" project, supported by the Catholic Church and the University of Chicago, to have been, contrary to the official narrative, an almost complete failure.

Then, in Boston, it was decided to integrate on the backs of urban blue collar whites, while the suburbs still remained segregated. Bussing. Another on-the-cheap solution. (When, in the boroughs of NY in the 1980s, my own son was bussed to a school with a program for the handicapped a mile distant -- which took an hour and a half because of stops at different schools and used Mafia-controlled bus companies with inexperienced, ill-paid, sometimes alcoholic drivers, I finally understood the reaction of the Boston community.)

I grew up on the south side of Chicago and was a young boy during the period that Perlstein recounts. The racial attitudes of the white-ethnic population I remember are exactly as described in those letters ro Senator Douglas.

I remember guys from the neighbrohood telling me about African-Americans youths they had beaten bloody for daring to ride the CTA bus west of Kedzie Avenue, then the racial dividing line. My father once invited an African-American friends over to the house, and was seriously worried that the neighbors might think he was trying to sell the house to a black family and attack them.

I remember a friend telling me how he saw white residents of the Marquette Park neighbrohood go wild during an African-American civil rights march. White residents lifted sewer covers and heaved them through the windshields of passing African-American motorists. An African-American bus driver departed from his route so he could pick up as many other African-Americans as he could find and drive them to safety.

Another buddy described to me how on another occasion a wayward softball bouncing off a windshield at a Forest Preserve picnic area led to a wild racial brawl involving bats, chains and gunfire.

Our neighbrohoods were named after the closest Catholic parishes in each, St.Bede, St.Dennis, St.Thomas More. My own brother, a blond-haired Greek-American, was once beaten by some local hoodlums. One of their parents apologized to my mother saying, "I told my boys: It's not your son's fault that he's not Catholic."

Dennis Drew: The Taft Hartley amendment has kept us in the stone age!

"Here is the fundamental tragedy of the backlash: voters like this empowered a party that decided they didn't need protection against predatory subprime mortgage fraud. Didn't need affordable, universal health insurance; made it easier for companies to rape their pensions; kept on going back to the well to destroy their social security; worked avidly to shred their union protections."

Umm, sorry, but how is this a tragedy? Isn't this karma?
These people behaved like a*holes, refused to share, and got what they damn well deserved. This is what I call justice, not a tragedy.

It's a tragedy that other people got caught up in this, but I'm not going to weep any tears for those voters described here, and their counterparts across the country.

Well, see, none of those fancy pants civil liberties matter. Because Obama is really a Muslim. And a Commie. People in the know know.

DeLay: 'Unless Obama Proves Me Wrong, He Is a Marxist'
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/05/delay-unless-obama-proves-me-wrong-he-is-a-marxist/

Rusty: Perlstein is writing about the 1966 election. As I remember it, Vietnam played no significant part in that election.

Maynard: What you call "bad karma" hit everyone in lower and middle income groups, whether or not they were part of the backlash.

Perstein in younger than I am, and probably can't remember things in the same way. Two of my earliest concrete memories: MLK being short; RFK being shot. (My father idolized them both; I remember him crying. I was eight.) Better days are here, I hope.

"Here is the fundamental tragedy of the backlash: voters like this empowered a party that decided they didn't need protection against predatory subprime mortgage fraud. Didn't need affordable, universal health insurance; made it easier for companies to rape their pensions; kept on going back to the well to destroy their social security; worked avidly to shred their union protections."

Handley is right; it is not a tragedy if racist voters undermine their own economic interests.

Perlstein does good work, but the white backlash was recognized at the time, as contemporaneous NYT reports cite it and Douglas' age as factors in his loss. But the issues that Perlstein raises are a long way from 1966 -- these were hot-button items from the mid-80s (on Soc. Sec.) to the present day. It does not explain why the Democratic party could not repair its base later -- in the 1970s. It is worth considering the tight 1978 race, in which Alex Seith, a supposedly liberal Democratic running as a conservative and a foreign policy hawk, almost unseated Percy, who was a liberal Republican (a set that includes almost no one of any prominence in the party today).

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