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The National Review has survived for several decades now. Why would you believe that telling NR-type l/i/e/s/ s/t/o/r/i/e/s/ certainties would be an impediment to the continued survival of the WaPo?

in a way, we should thank fred hiatt for giving us such a regular insight into the poor ratiocinative abilities of america's right wingers. if the intel states, for example, that thus and such is the likeliest reality, and thus and such turns out not to be the case, the intel wasn't "wrong;" the person who chose to go to war over suppositions is the wrong one.

but what hiatt (and, for that matter, rockefeller and kurtz) are all skipping here is that we had UN inspectors on the ground providing actual intelligence: not only weren't the UN inspectors wrong, in any dimension, but hiatt and his fellow haters had no interest in hearing them.

Howard and I are probably the only two people in America that know we kicked out the UN weapons inpsectors OUT OF IRAQ in our rush to war.

The UN inspectors were ON THE GROUND in Iraq, doing their jobs but the republitugs and the so-called "liberal media" have glossed over this fact for years now.

Please google this for the truth:

"U.S advises weapons inspectors to leave Iraq"


"I should note that in recent weeks, possibly as a result of increasing pressure by the international community, Iraq has been more forthcoming in its cooperation with the IAEA," said Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (3/17/2003)

don't forget in democrat fantasy land Rockefellow stood up (truth to power) and denounced Bush and the war mongers thereby avoiding the over 4000 American KIAs. How can people be so blind, they are all the same and they are playing games with your little minds.

"For the next president, it may be Iran's nuclear program, or al-Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan, or, more likely, some potential horror that today no one even imagines. When that time comes, there will be plenty of warnings to heed from the Iraq experience, without the need to fictionalize more."

What Hiatt is telling us is that with Iran, we will need to make extra sure we err on the side of action than on the side of caution. The real tragedy of Iraq will be if our complete and total blunder leads us to be hesitant. This is precisely why we cannot afford the luxury of listening to the people who were right, for it is they more than the pundits and politians and journalists who egged us on, who will lead us into the trap of hesitant, cautious examination in the face of evil. The only cure for this natural reticence is to trust the people who were wrong before, because they are the ones who have shown we can count on them to get America to act on time.

You can expect to see that in his op-eds as we run up to the election.

The administration's repeated claim that time was of the essence, and that we couldn't afford to wait 2-3 months to allow the U.N. weapon inspectors to complete their job, due to the imminent risk of mushroom clouds over our shores. Again, the existence of nuclear weapons contradicted intelligence.

The report was intended to be balanced, to distinguish between intelligence failure and and knowing deception by the president and his cohorts. So why does Hiatt only report those areas in which the early intelligence was flawed? No honest person would.

The Washington Post accurately and ironically summarizes Hiatt: "That phony storyline distracts from the real prewar failure." The execrable Hiatt, Brooks, Feith, Kristol, Perle et al repeat "everyone thought Saddam had WMD" at every opportunity. This may have been true minus some exaggeration at some point, but as howard and donsmith7777 point out, it was known with high certainty before Dick and George's excellent adventure that there were neither Iraqi WMD's nor WMD programs. Fred waves his "substantiation" cape to distract attention from the inexcusable folly of an attack that would kill nearly a million people at a cost of over a trillion dollars, which would make America weaker, poorer, more vulnerable, and more corrupt, and for which the justification sold to the people had been completely disproved by the UN inspectors.

@Vail Beach

The US intelligence should have been better, but Bush pushed the button that killed so many, not the CIA. Moreover, the UN intelligence was known and published before the opening fireworks show. I knew, Bush knew, and you should have known that the WMD justification was bogus. Quit ignoring history.

The last word on all this is The War Card, a comprehensive database of all the Bush-Cheney non-administration's lies used to get us into Iraq. It's available here:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Indeed. What strikes me - it's like being hit in the face, over and over - is how almost everybody, before, during, and after the invasion, and now, refuses to even talk about the UN weapons inspectors. They could find no evidence whatsoever, despite years of unfettered access. The United States, and it's propaganda division (NYT, WaPo, CNN, et al.) just waved these away in favour of claims that were even then obviously unsubstantiated.

Yes Hussein would not let them into his palaces, but he had very good reason to believe that the US was intercepting all UN intelligence, and that the US would use whatever it could to kill him. Which turned out to be true.

It was clear to me at the time, speaking as the non-intellectual of the group, that Hans Blix was consistent in reporting a lack of evidence to support the Bush Regime's WMD propaganda in support of the upcoming invasion. It was also clear to me at the time that the Bush Regime had determined to invade Iraq some time in advance irrespective of the facts on the ground. Hans Blix was asked to leave Iraq by the Bush Regime, as you may recall.

I think you failed to note that Atrios called it "Fred Hiatt's latest bowel movement."

nuff said.

Here's today's Salon outing of more Bush truthiness;

"Jun. 10, 2008 | On Monday, a congressional panel released a draft report confirming extensive contact between disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and the White House.

When the Abramoff scandal exploded, President Bush's spokespeople said there had been only very limited contact between Abramoff and the White House. New documents from the White House and other federal agencies show 70 previously undisclosed contacts between Abramoff or his associates and White House officials, according to the draft report, which was produced by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Those documents confirm an additional 84 contacts the committee had already figured out by combing through Abramoff's billing records back in 2006. Those billing records had showed yet 401 more White House contacts that this new report does not corroborate (or rule out).

The committee didn't uncover any evidence that Abramoff lobbied Bush personally. Bush said in early 2006 that he didn't know the man. The committee uncovered six photographs of Bush and Abramoff together: at a meeting in the Executive Office Building, at three political receptions, at one political dinner and at a White House Chanukah party."

What everyone else said about the UN inspectors in Iraq....
I despair every time I think about the sheer stupidity and immorality of our inexcusable rush to war.

It is probably not a coincidence that Hiatt is not only justifying what Bush did, but justifying it in the same terms as Bush himself. No shame. The job is to all sound the same, so that there can be no chink into which to shove a crowbar.

Even the wording is the same. Intelligence "failures". If writing down on paper a possibility or scenario that may prove wrong is a "failure" then intelligence analysis is designed to fail. Those guys do their job by examining the variety of possible implications of available information. They have to "fail" in order to do their job.

And Cheney leaned on intelligence agencies to produce the outcome he wanted. And INR in State does intelligence analysis, typically got it right on Iraq, and was ignored and then dismantled when Rice took over at State and remade as a more compliant - a quieter - creature. DoE knew those tubes weren't for centrifuges, but the White House kept saying they were, and then blamed CIA for a "failure".

Hiatt knows every bit of this. He is a part of the White House effort, pure and simple.

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